original to: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/15/erdogan-misses-point-turkish-unite-defend-rights Recep Tayyip Erdogan struggles to make sense of Turkey's trauma After a fortnight of missteps, the prime minister grasps that the protests are harming his regime. But he has not recognised they are unlikely to end if he removes the freedom his people expect Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor The Observer, Saturday 15 June 2013 Sitting by her tent in Istanbul's Gezi Park, child psychiatrist Tugba Camcioglu, 36, ponders what brought her here. She is not, she admits, very political. The handmade poster on her tent is about child abuse, not the fate of the park or even the vexed subject of Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "I came because the park should be kept for children. I came to stand up for the weak," she says. I meet Camcioglu the day after last week's assault on nearby Taksim Square with teargas, water cannon and rubber bullets that cleared it of protesters. It's h

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Felix: Fascinating how you "frame" all this. Authoritarian! Democratic! Liberty! Subversion! As you recall, the juxtapositioning of "democratic" with "authoritarian" comes from the psychological warfare community during WW II. Initially this formulation was aimed at "fascism" and then it became the basis of the Cold War against "communism." Now, when it isn't being aimed at "neo-liberalism," it is being focused on China, via the US State Dept and the panoply of related NGOs, NYTimes etc. Among the early leaders in this effort were Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead, who are the "heroes" of Fred Turner's forthcoming "The Democratic Surround," which is positioned as the prequel to his 2006 "From Counterculture to Cyberculture," where Californian ideologist Stewart Brand was the "hero." This psy-war sensibility was also at the core of the 1950 "Authoritarian Personality" by the Frankfurt School's Adorno and the "CIA's" Nevitt Sanford. For those who haven't read them, I'

At the moment, i think in the West (core and periphery) we can distinguish between three struggles in advanced stages. One is against authoritarian regimes that force a closed set of values on an increasingly diverse societies. Within these societies, a new mind set is emerging that values, understands and can deal with this diversity. Another one is against the subversion of the democratic processes through the capture of the traditional institutions of liberal democracy by financial markets, which includes the fight against austerity policies and the invention of new democratic institutions redrawing the balance between participation and representation. And, one is against the increasing subversion of civil liberties through the militarization of the state. This process is certainly the most advanced in the US, and so is the resistance against it is also mainly coming from the US. However, not from organized interests, but from brave individuals who cannot tolerate the contradiction between what they a

http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2013/06/12/an-open-of-course-letter-to-my-friend-the-nsa/ Dear NSA, We need to have a chat, so I trust you’re reading this. Of course you are; good. Now, let’s see … how should I put this? Look, you’ve done a great job cultivating that whole “spook” image for the past 60 years. Really, you’ve just been terrifyingly adept at creating an environment of ironclad secrecy, even more so than the CIA, who’ve bungled too many overseas jobs to be the omnipotent, untouchable agency they’d like us to think they are. Times are changing, though. For the past several generations, you’ve been the rulers of all information, with no one to challenge you. Americans just had to trust that the good quiet folk at the NSA were looking out for them, because no one else could handle data on such a large scale. It was a simpler time, back when the Internet was young and the Web was just a seed of an idea, and our idea of “big data” was the Yellow Pages. There

Dear comrades, activists and those in their networks. For tomorrow we will try to do something new (as far as i know). There will be an experimental Spanish-English simultaneous interpretation, which will be provided by comrades on a Mumble room. Mumble is an Open Source Voip, audio chat, software, needs to be downloaded and installed on your device beforehand here: http://www.mumble.com/mumble-download.php?OKEY=google_mum-download_mumble or from an app-store The interpretation will be in this location on Mumble: Location: Occupytalk.org server Room: Assemblies & Round Tables - go to OPEN SPACE How to join Mumble: http://www.global-square.net/how-to-join/ It would work best if participants use two devices if possible - any smartphone/pc/mac/pad combination. To explain it simple terms it works like this: Participants who need interpretation would need two apparatus, these can be two computers or one computer one telephone so on. So all who needs translation shall run mumble and Google hangout at the sam

Oh yes, assuming the worst and actually doing something about it is good. I'm talking about a kind of smug quiescence.

Re: We are what we tweet: The Problem with a Big Data World Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> Newmedia-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:04:56 -0700 Subject: Re: <nettime> We are what we tweet: The Problem with a Big Data World Hi Mark, Thanks for clarification. As we revise this piece, I think I'll draw on the later criticism of Weiner more. I've added God & Golem to my reading list. I also think this term 'free expression' is meant to chaff with some of the rhetoric around social media. I would distinguish between techniques of control, that are prevelant on social media, with the data-mining/simulation. There has been lots of good work on this idea of control online, but I hoped this article added another dimension -- namely how

You didn't have to be clever to know that. (And a lot more). However, even temporary media attention recruits new people for the cause, and some stick long-term. It has repeatedly been argued that technology can't route around politics, but if politics fails, technology is all we've got.

I agree that' the specialist responses are the saddest. Not just clever people, but anyone who paid attention since TIA in 2002 knew this was going on. All the people who are trying to be more cynical than thou are lame. There is a huge difference between intellectuals knowing what the state is doing (that's their job, after all) and official, incontrovertible proof for everyone. The difference is made by acts of exceptional courage. It's ihugely positive. Cynicism is a fear to commit. It's the banality of defeat. I prefer to find this recent news a light in dark times. BH PS: The Anthropocene is now our fate. Any blow to the capitalist state that has brought it on is a good thing. For the rest, knowing how to face it is what wre all need to learn. Let's help each other. On 06/12/2013 04:01 PM, Rob Myers wrote:

Why is that so sad, not about cleverness, surely it is just that some people have been realistic from early on. Since the 90s I've certainly assumed Microsoft was in the collaboration and spying business and so did various European governments, I seem to remember a lot of discussion about only using open source software in government rather than Windows etc. On 13/06/13 07:01, Rob Myers wrote: <...>

We are in the age of the Anthropocene now, everything has changed, the future is not what it used to be. yours JJ On 12 Jun 2013, at 17:40, Brian Holmes wrote: <...> <...> ________________________________ Notre livre-film "Les Sentiers de L'utopie" (Editions Zones/La D?couverte 2011) twitter: < at >nowtopia. pour la liste mail - vous pouvez souscrire ici - https://lists.riseup.net/www/subscribe/labofii www.labofii.net

Some of the saddest specialist responses to PRISM that I've read argue that it isn't a shock and that clever people knew this sort of thing was going on anyway.

If you can compile it, sure. Cypherpunks write code.

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You mean vigorous typing on the keyboard and determined tweeting aint't it? It seems that interactions with corporate disks (which is what 99% of social computer usage today is) are modern variants of praying. Surveillance networks are just priests in the confessionals. Does a prayer work?

If this is your bulwark against the dark days, I'd consider embracing despair. The European states might talk a good game--like they did before the second Iraq war--but both the demands of conjunctural geopolitics and the dynamics of statecraft would seem to dictate that they are much more likely to go along to get along, after registering their pro forma dissents. This paragraph from a Der Spiegel article on US data retrieval and storage indicates why: "The NSA is a useful partner for German authorities. The director of the NSA, four-star General Keith Alexander, regularly receives delegations from Germany at his headquarters at Fort Meade. These meetings are generally constructive, in part because the pecking order is clear: The NSA nearly always knows much more, while the Germans act as assistants." So far, not really. The polls released indicate that USers are mostly okay with what the NSA has done, or what's been revealed of it so far. More relevantly, the impulse among those who were potentially

I agree with Dimitry below. It should be noticed that existing communication circuits and forms of social cooperation have all been built over the last twenty years. On the one hand, social media was at least partially prefigured by Indymedia and similar iniatives fifteen years ago, the huge circuits for the relay of news from movement to movement have been built up more or less deliberately, and the form of swarming, or the sustained temporal pulsation of concentration/dispersion of forces, is not just a spontaneous phenomenon but a learned and widely shared strategy. Plus all this has been relayed by more bourgeois publics-sphere structures, giving rise to the phenomena of strategic press leaks and also some judicial harassement of authrotarian regimes. On the other hand, we don't have formal organizations beyond the General Assembly, so the power dialectic of delegation and direct action has not been developed very much at all. Everyone is now saying this is the next step. I agree. best, Br

We were just in Terrassa, a town near Barcelona , where we witnessed a PAH assembly of 200 or so people who are organizing together in a large network against evictions which has formed in spain over the last few years and has been emboldened by the May 15 movement. There are mostly everyday people radicalized, distrustful of constituted representational forms of politics and engaging in direct action to force banks to forgive loans, the state to find affordable housing for them, and to resist evictions. They are learning how to collectively resist the banks and the law of state and police collectively. The complexity of these platforms and the entanglement and contradictions which they bring to the surface are immense, of course. Municipalities, police, firemen, regions, parties, politicians, state, eu, unions, activist networks, banks, all entangled and in the middle of contradiction. And these forms of organization which are in some sense "non-representational" are quite actively inventing and changing t

more inclined to think that the surveillance state has just obsoleted the economy as a policing mechanism. not a bad thing. (it allows the imf for example to declare its own irrelevance.) and unlike the economy, the state really doesnt care what you think. or say. the state only cares about the network you say whatever to. so we're back in the network wars. again, not a bad thing. this looks more like what they used to call a level playing field. On 12 June 2013 04:13, Felix Stalder <felix-XQarKSnW/Y+akBO8gow8eQ< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: <...>